Now, investigators came out saying that this man, Harold Doyle, was the short tramp. I do not believe that anyone needs a degree in structure, facial structure, to notice that the head is just shaped differently for this individual. His chin is a little longer, his nose is way bigger and his lips are further away from his nose and the eyebrow-shape is completely different.
Here is another view of the shorter tramp. Again, the tramp that I believe is Charles Harrelson, who is definitely taller than Charles Rogers, he is behind him like 10 or 15 feet and he still appears taller than the shorter tramp. So I would guess this man to be 5.5. It is hard to do that, but notice the vehicle. That man’s body relative to the vehicle. He is 5.5.
here is another picture of Charles Frederick Rogers in grade school or middle school
Notice the lines that travel from the center of the face underneath the eyes, accross the cheekbnes. Now this is a young boy, but his bone structure is such that he has a line there. It has not gone to a wrinkle because he is younger. But what you know, as you age, if there is an indention on your face, as you get older, it unfortunately turns into a wrinkle. This shorter tramp has that wrinkle in exactly the same place. Under his eye. Exactly the same place.
I took the liberty of taking his picture of him standing with his uncle, in the yard when he was I think 16 or 17. And I drew lines around his eyesockets, under his nose, and I drew a line on the forehead where the boney superciliary arch, right where it stops, where it starts thrusting out and where it’s the summit of that bony ridge, I drew a line. And I drew a line where the hair started and where it sort of curves back. And if you look at the shorter tramp, it has got the same landmarks. as bets as, you know, as best as I can do, considering his head is in a slightly different position, It is turned a little, but still those horizontal landmarks as you go up in the face, you campare them and it’s just almost identical. So even his hair, the texture of his hair when he combs it, tends to bend back in about the same place. Editor’s note: The correct slides as discussed here, with the lines drawn on the face, are not available in electronic format. The picture of the tramp on the right is not the correct one either.
Another picture of Charles Frederick Rogers, compared to the shorter tramp. Unfortunately, I need to tell you that, because your nose consists of gristle, cartilage, cartilage material, also your ears, your ears and your nose grow your whole life. They do not stop growing. So the nose is bigger but I believe Charles is 13 on the left and then he is of course 41 on the right.
If you take the outline of the ears ….Everybody has dissimilar ears. Sometimes they look identical but one ear is going to be different on one side of your head from the other ear. It is just universal.
And if you outline the ears of the youthful Rogers ….
And you compare them, it’s almost identical. I mean this is just remarkable. You can’t even … it’s hard to replicate these positions of people’s heads. It’s just remarkable.
The Three Tramps
Another picture of the shorter tramp.
All I can say is that if these are not the men who I say they are, then it’s just such an amazing coincidence that Charles Frederick Rogers, who was an excellent shot, a pilot, who was proficient in spanish and russian, and who was probably in the CIA, … and he is the only identifiable suspect in the double murder of his parents, he dismembered them and then put them in the refrigerator, which would be …. I think you would guess that if you think about this murder scene, it was a means to gain time. To store the bodies so that they would not smell and so that he could get his affairs in order before he had to leave town.
So here is a man that looks just like him, at the scene after Kennedy was shot. Behind him is a man who is known … he is a suspect in two other murders, in the Doolittle murder in Corpus Christi, …. Charles Harrelson, and then he was convicted of a murder of a federal judge, for hire, he was paid to murder that judge. Another excellent shot, this man is an excellent marksman. And then behind him is a man that looks exactly like Chauncey Holt, who SAYS he was there. Who is also an excellent shot. And who said he worked for the mob and for the CIA. Editor’s note: And who identified the other two as Charles Harrelson and Richard Montoya, which was an alias that Charles Rogers used.
So it’s just a coincidence that all three of these men, who were nefarious, criminal types …, two of which were murder suspects, one convicted. It’s just a coincidece that they are in Dealey Plaxa, and being arrested by the police officers after Kennedy was shot.
Now, I said … I say that the old tramp is Chauncey Holt.
And that the short tramp is Charles Frederick Rogers
And all I can say, there is a detective named Jim Benford, he is at the Houston Police Department. we have a double homicide in Houston, Texas, that is still unsolved. If you know where this man is, call him at 713 308 3600. Because we like to talk to this man. We believe he murdered his parents.
And then of course Charles Harrelson … is the blond-headed tramp. And why do we have to go though all this? The Dallas Police Department arrested three men, right after the president of the United States is killed …. and they do not photograph those men … Everyone knows that if you are arrested, even for a minor crime, you get fingerprinted and you get photographed. And if THEY had photographs, then they would show me by now .. they could come and show me that “No, this isn’t Charles Harrelson!…
“No, this is not Chauncey Holt! This is not Charles Rogers!” They could show me these pictures and say: “Gosh, it’s just guys that look just like them!” But they don’t have pictures. Law enforcement people have taken pictures of people they arrest since after the Civil War. For sure it was a common practice by the nineteentwenties! And where are the fingerprints? They don’t have them! And what DID happen that day?
Chauncey knew! Chauncey told us. They were walked to the police department and then they were let go, out the back door. Not being photographed. So because of the Dallas Police Department … and why did the Dallas Police Department not photograph these men? So they could tell me “No, this is not these men. It’s just other people that look just like them.” That’s the question I wanna know! Why weren’t they photographed, why weren’t they fingerprinted?
And this is a sketch he did as a tribute to Lee Harvey Oswald. It’s just a sketch that he did, as he knew what happened and he knew Lee Harvey Oswald. Chauncey knew him and he really resented that he was a sacrificial lamb that day and was later killed by Jack Ruby.
Okay, let’s go to June 23 rd, 1965. It’s 1815 Driscoll Street in Houston, Texas. A nephew of this older couple Fred and Edwina Rogers, called the cops because they wouldn’t answer the phone and they wouldn’t come to the door. Charles Bullock, an officer, and his partner Leo Bartha made the scene.
They noticed a lot of the food was taken from the refrigerator and was sitting out in cans and tops, and there was a pair of dentures laying on the table too …. and they couldn’t find anything amiss untill ….
…. Bullock opened the refrigerator …
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and he thought perhaps they had slaughtered a hog … because it was still full of meat. And then he opened the crystalator door and he saw that there were heads in there and he realized what it was.
It was Fred Rogers … 81 years old ….
and Edwina Rogers, 79 years old. Female, the wife. And they had both been disected, joint by joint, and murdered.
And the only identifiable suspect is their son, Charles Rogers, who was estranged from his parents. This is the inside of his apartment as they found it. He only communicated with his mom by notes that he would pass under the door. He is very … he is enigmatic, because from the year of 1957 on, he was unemployed. We have his social security number and there is no monies taken out for federal tax, from him, from 1957 on. And again, this is 1965. And yet for two years, in 1958 and 1959, he owned an airplane and kept it and paid hangar fees to have it kept at Hull Airport. And there is no way, he had no means of any visual support to be able to pay for even fuel or an airplane, or the fees the keep it stored there.
When they went out there, they found kind of a probe kitchen situation …..
where he would make food on a hot plate in his room.
The Three Tramps
And there was a pack with a lot of newspaper articles.
They als found this gun. It’s the kind that usually are issued to federal workers, but of course other people can have them. But they found this gun and it had been wiped clean, there were no fingerprints. And it was indeed the weapon that was used to kill Edwina. And then he had taken a hammer, it was believed that he killed his father with a hammer. What happened is that she went to his door and … because he murdered her outside of his door, and dragged her down the stairs. He mopped up the stairs a little bit, not a very good job of mopping. And he took her to the bath tub and bled her out and disected her there.
This is the saw he used. There is lots of flesh and blood in that saw. It is very obviously the weapon used, or the tool, the utensil to take them apart, his parents.
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And then there is this …
And here is a picture of Charles Rogers. From the Navy, he was in the Navy. But he was also in the Navy intelligence corps. I don’t know exactly what they call it, but all of the armed forces, everyone knows that after World War II all of the armed forces, their intelligence people were merged together to form the CIA. And we are in possession of a document that says he was in Navy Intelligence.
Here is his highschool picture where he is smiling.
And there is the shorter tramp. Charles Rogers was five foot five, a 145 pounds, and he was 41 years old that day. every single feature is consistent. The only thing is the the person on the right has aged, from that highschool picture.
Editor’s note: Unfortunately, there is hardly any photo known of Charles Rogers contemporary with the 1963 time frame. Only photo’s of a much younger Charles Rogers are available. The look of people’s appearances may alter with age. Although the shorter tramp may look somewhat different to the untrained eye, every facial structure and dimension is consistent.
And on the left you notice the man with the tie. Those sixties’ thin ties. He has got his head down. Notice the bones shape in his forehead …
The hairline. Everything. To me this definitely could be Charles Rogers.
Here is another picture. Do you notice that even though the blond tramp is behind him, he still comes off looking a little taller? He should appear way shorter because in the distance things get smaller. So he is obviously shorter than Charles Harrelson.
If you put it next to that man … on the shadow next to his lips, that go from his nose down past his lips … yes, it’s darker because it’s harsher lighting, but if you discount that, all the features are identical. The eyebrow shapes, the eyebrow placement relatively to the eyes, the ear … everything. You see that wrinkle on the left in the younger photo? On his neck?
Here is another pose of the tramp, the older tramp, and Chauncey… I just don’t believe I need to really explain to any human being who recognizes faces, that this is the same individual.
He said he was there the day that Lee Harvey Oswald was handing out flyers in New Orleans, pro Cuba, and if you look at the man on the right with the sunglasses … and then on the far right he posed for me. Notice the shape of the flesh on the forehead, right above the eyeglasses, even that is identical. And the hairline has receded more, as some men, this happens, your hair recedes more as you get older. That is receded more, but it is actually the same shape. Just more receded. Even the arm-shape. Everything, the shoulders, the slope of the shoulders, which is unique with various individuals.
There is Gus Abrams. I believe, I know his last name is Abrams. He has been said to be the older tramp.
And this is easy to discount. Once again, his lips are further away from the bottom of his nose. It is just impossible that this individual is the older tramp. It’s impossible. Also the nose is shorter relative to the shape of the face and the size of the face. It’s just a smaller nose. Also the eyebrows, the eyesockets are a different shape and the eyebrows start down towards the center of the nose and they go up, they make a zig-zag. This individual’s eyebrows make a zig-zag, they go up after leaving the center of the face and as they travel to the outside of the face, they go back down. Chauncey’s are relatively just straight accross and so are the older tramp’s. There is just no plastic surgery available to make these changes in your face. This is absolutely not the old tramp.
Here is another picture of Chauncey. That’s an article in Newsweek.
He was a circus performer at one time… and he stayed in good shape. And this is a picture … I’m assuming he is in his late sixties
And once again, if you draw lines on the face … I don’t even need to prove this, I mean this is just definitely not Abrams.
It is just abundantly obvious to me. Even the chin, the chin, okay, this is from the mouth to the bottom of the chin, it’s way longer for Gus Abrams.
And this is a painting Chauncey Holt did. He was a really established painter, a talented painter.
